Why? Based on what reasoning? Are you aware of how shotguns work in real life where they shot quite well up to and beyond 30m.

Thanks for the correction on the pellets though.

That's crazy. I'm really interested in try to get shotguns into a place where assaults and commandos would want to use them, without them being instagibby on a scout.

Hahaha no, I've spent several hours on a gal assault 5 alt trying to get it to work, no I didn't have kin cats 5 or profile dampening 5 or speed/damp fit as that would moot my point. If it could shoot more than 5 meters maybe, the gun itself has lot of problems that are only propped up by low profile high speed suits. I want a shotgunner to ruin me at 20m with 3 accurate shots when were both assaults, that's barely the distance across most 'small' rooms in dust. I also want to fix some of the 'scout standing right on a sentinels back and killing him in 1.5-2.2secs'

^your post about shotguns has no discussion of numbers, it just seemingly flatly states that shotguns need to take longer to kill. Part of increasing TTK and getting the weapon into a healthy place involves increased range.

You're missing the point, its about fostering a discussion a weapon that is currently in an unhealthy place - they are useful on exactly one type of suit where they are arguably 'overpowered' on anything else you are considerably better served to carry almost anything else.

Lets not drag discussion of pistols or cloaks into this, this threads purpose is not complain beyond the statement that "the shotgun is broken in its current form". Even the plasma cannon has more applicable use as a 'specialist' weapon than the shotgun.

Attempting to discredit my point by claiming that I've fabricated the issue is pretty low when as I understand you shutter,

you also want the shotgun to be 'fixed', but apparently that's supposed to happen with no changes made to anything other than damage?

Shotguns as a weapon have been in an uncomfortable spot for a long time, for the what 6 months when scouts ruled the game the shotgun was their weapon of choice because of how insanely it benefits from having the 'first mover' advantage. In pc there is still a large contingent of shotgun use going on, as in pubs, but this weapon is limited to a single suit - the scout, a shotgun on anything else is incredibly sub par. In short the shotgun is incredibly over specialized.

In order to perform any fix that isn't a straight nerf (ie make a weapon that's only useable on one suit unusable on *any* suit) some things need to seriously change... Like the shotgun being made into a gun that not only would scouts want, but commandos and assaults too. How is that done? By decreasing the weapons reliance on the 'first mover' advantage of stealth / speed aka, the weapon needs more range.

It's a relatively simple sequence of steps to get to the conclusion I did. Now the real question is, ignoring everything else if there was a weapon like this in dust, that did that level of dps over that range, would you want to use it? If yes then those are probably the steps that should be made - get the weapon into a good place where multiple suits will want it rather than having people go 'dear god why would you fit that'.

Does normal and breach variant of shotguns have same range?

I think maybe you could have, as his arguments aren't explained or substantiated they're just predicated on 'how I feel'. Balance is predicated upon the sublimation of 'feelings' in order to achieve actual numerically demonstrable 'equality'.

I read your argument and provided a rebuttal as you wanted to straight nerf the shotgun, I want to alter it to be a more desireable weapon.

Yes, I did two theoretical dps calculations, did you want me to do the +5% for adv or +10% for proto? For 1/2/3 damage mods?
Are you incapable of comparing dps to suit hp? Or incapable of commenting constructively when things don't line up? Or do you just want to rant about how you don't like my idea and shotguns just need to be nerfed so that no one uses them?

Are you incapable of comparing dps to suit hp?